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    Hallo Dominik,<br>
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    BFD könnte überall dort nützlich sein, wo nicht automatisch alamiert
    wird sobald sich auf einem Interface z.B. CRC oder PCS Fehler häufen
    - und leider haben das nur ganz wenige Netzwerke. LACP ist selbst
    auf "fast" nicht gut genug, um Packet Loss zu entdecken, den die
    Server (und die Kunden) jedoch sehr wohl spüren werden.<br>
    <br>
    Leider verliert BFD viel an Nützlichkeit, sobald man eine LAG
    verwendet: Der Standard spezifiziert nicht, wie mit LAGs umzugehen
    ist und bei vielen Implementierungen werden die BFD Pakete nur auf
    einen einzigen Port der LAG gehasht und nur dieser wird überwacht.
    Deswegen fristet das normale BFD in den meisten Netzwerken ein
    Nischendasein.<br>
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    Doch seit Kurzem gibts Micro-BFD. Damit wird bei einem LAG jedes
    Interface einzeln gemonitort. Bei Packet Loss fällt das defekte
    Interface aus dem LAG und alles läuft weiter ohne dass die Sysadmins
    oder Kunden was merken - oder aber das defekte Interface gibt sich
    durch den Interface Flap als defekt zu erkennen, womit die
    Fehlersuche stark beschleunigt werden kann. Außerdem kann man bei
    manchen Implementierungen festlegen, dass nur nachdem Micro-BFD 60
    Sekunden lang ohne Packet Loss auf dem Interface gelaufen ist, das
    Interface wieder ins LAG aufgenommen werden soll. Das (und
    <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5837">https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc5837</a> ) ist der Stoff aus dem
    Netzwerkadminträume gemacht sind. :)<br>
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    Leider hab ichs bei meinem Router-Hersteller nicht geschafft,
    Micro-BFD konstant so problemfrei zu betreiben wie LACP: Der
    Hersteller hat aktuell noch zu viele Bugs in der Implementierung
    bzw. für mich verhält es sich noch zu unzuverlässig beim Testen, als
    dass ich das ausrollen wollen würde. Dauert wohl noch ein paar
    Firmware-Releases, bis das anständig läuft.<br>
    <br>
    Liebe Grüße<br>
    Mario<br>
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    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 14.01.19 16:24, Dominic Schallert
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      Liebe ATNog Gemeinde,
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        <div class="">verwendet hier eigentlich jemand BFD für Transit-
          oder Peering-Sessions? So wie ich BFD verstehe, wäre das ja
          eine gute Sache, nur verwendet es kaum wer. Warum eigentlich?
          Mögliche Gründe die mir einfallen sind:</div>
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          <div class="">1) Nicht notwendig da beide Router directly
            connected</div>
          <div class="">2) Interoperability-Probleme mit
            unterschiedlichen Routern</div>
          <div class="">3) Kosten für Lizenzierung —&gt; auf Cisco ASR
            eine AIS/AES Lizenz erfoderlich</div>
          <div class="">4) Vielleicht Historisch bedingt?</div>
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          <div class="">Bieten die etwas größeren Transits hier in AT
            (Anexia, Nextlayer, A1, T-Mobile, etc.) ihren Kunden BFD
            optional an?</div>
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          <div class="">Es gibt aktuell übrigens auch ein Proposal für
            BFD bei IXP Routeservern:  <a
              href="https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd/"
              class="" moz-do-not-send="true">https://datatracker.ietf.org/doc/draft-ietf-idr-rs-bfd/</a></div>
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          <div class="">Dominic</div>
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