<html xmlns:v="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:vml" xmlns:o="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" xmlns:w="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:word" xmlns:m="http://schemas.microsoft.com/office/2004/12/omml" xmlns="http://www.w3.org/TR/REC-html40">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8">
<meta name="Generator" content="Microsoft Word 15 (filtered medium)">
<style><!--
/* Font Definitions */
@font-face
{font-family:Wingdings;
panose-1:5 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0 0;}
@font-face
{font-family:"Cambria Math";
panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;}
@font-face
{font-family:Calibri;
panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;}
/* Style Definitions */
p.MsoNormal, li.MsoNormal, div.MsoNormal
{margin:0cm;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
a:link, span.MsoHyperlink
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:blue;
text-decoration:underline;}
a:visited, span.MsoHyperlinkFollowed
{mso-style-priority:99;
color:purple;
text-decoration:underline;}
p.MsoListParagraph, li.MsoListParagraph, div.MsoListParagraph
{mso-style-priority:34;
margin-top:0cm;
margin-right:0cm;
margin-bottom:0cm;
margin-left:36.0pt;
margin-bottom:.0001pt;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
p.msonormal0, li.msonormal0, div.msonormal0
{mso-style-name:msonormal;
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;
margin-right:0cm;
mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;
margin-left:0cm;
font-size:11.0pt;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;}
span.E-MailFormatvorlage18
{mso-style-type:personal;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
span.E-MailFormatvorlage19
{mso-style-type:personal-compose;
font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;
color:windowtext;}
.MsoChpDefault
{mso-style-type:export-only;
font-size:10.0pt;}
@page WordSection1
{size:612.0pt 792.0pt;
margin:70.85pt 70.85pt 2.0cm 70.85pt;}
div.WordSection1
{page:WordSection1;}
/* List Definitions */
@list l0
{mso-list-id:1446080042;
mso-list-type:hybrid;
mso-list-template-ids:-1746636758 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693 67698689 67698691 67698693;}
@list l0:level1
{mso-level-start-at:2017;
mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-18.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;
mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman";
mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";}
@list l0:level2
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:o;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-18.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";}
@list l0:level3
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-18.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level4
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-18.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level5
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:o;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-18.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";}
@list l0:level6
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-18.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;}
@list l0:level7
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-18.0pt;
font-family:Symbol;}
@list l0:level8
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:o;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-18.0pt;
font-family:"Courier New";}
@list l0:level9
{mso-level-number-format:bullet;
mso-level-text:;
mso-level-tab-stop:none;
mso-level-number-position:left;
text-indent:-18.0pt;
font-family:Wingdings;}
ol
{margin-bottom:0cm;}
ul
{margin-bottom:0cm;}
--></style><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapedefaults v:ext="edit" spidmax="1026" />
</xml><![endif]--><!--[if gte mso 9]><xml>
<o:shapelayout v:ext="edit">
<o:idmap v:ext="edit" data="1" />
</o:shapelayout></xml><![endif]-->
</head>
<body lang="EN-US" link="blue" vlink="purple">
<div class="WordSection1">
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Hi Dominic bzw. Danke Aaron auch f</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ü</span><span lang="DE-AT">r die anderen Beitr</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">ge
dazu<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Ich denke, Du musst ganz pr</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">zise definieren, nach welchem Schema Du die
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Zuordnung erfassen willst. Wie schon hier erw</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">hnt, sind unz</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">hligen
IP Adressen (bzw. Prefixe) hinter<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">den ASN </span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ü</span><span lang="DE-AT">berall verteilt (Anexia war hier ein perfektes Beispiel), sodass
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">ein ASN an keinen Ort festmachen kannst.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Ein ASN liefert in der Ripe einen Link zu:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<ul style="margin-top:0cm" type="disc">
<li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="DE-AT">ORG<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="DE-AT">Admin-C<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="DE-AT">Tech-C<o:p></o:p></span></li><li class="MsoListParagraph" style="margin-left:0cm;mso-list:l0 level1 lfo1"><span lang="DE-AT">Abuse-C<o:p></o:p></span></li></ul>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Du musst aufpassen, da die Adressen dahinter
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">„</span><span lang="DE-AT">irgendwas</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">“</span><span lang="DE-AT"> sein k</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ö</span><span lang="DE-AT">nnen.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Die Org liefert zumeist den Hinweis auf die Entit</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">t, die den LIR Status h</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">lt.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Das ist vermutlich das, was Du am ehesten suchst
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">–</span><span lang="DE-AT"> Da kann man nat</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ü</span><span lang="DE-AT">rlich<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">dann noch mit Firmenbuch & Co reingehen. <o:p>
</o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Es gibt aber auch ASN von non-LIR, die ein sponsoring LIR f</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ü</span><span lang="DE-AT">r den eigentlichen Halter
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">„</span><span lang="DE-AT">cached</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">“</span><span lang="DE-AT">
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">–</span><span lang="DE-AT"> da musst<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">aufpassen, dass nicht in Richtung des sponsoring LIR abbiegst.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Bei Firmenverb</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ü</span><span lang="DE-AT">nden kann aber nat</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ü</span><span lang="DE-AT">rlich
auch das daneben gehen, wenn<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">das HQ, dass Du evtl. meinst, in Wien ist, und die Firma, die den LIR Status h</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">lt in Graz sitzt bzw.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">technisch das Setup z.B. dann in Innsbruck l</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">uft.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Das ist auch eine wichtige Frage: Wenn der Vertrag z.B. nach Klagenfurt<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">geh</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ö</span><span lang="DE-AT">rt, aber technisch zu 100% alles in einem sauberen Setup in z.B. Wien-Interxion l</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">uft
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">–</span><span lang="DE-AT">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">ist dann die Information </span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">„</span><span lang="DE-AT">Klagenfurt</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">“</span><span lang="DE-AT">
oder die Information </span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">„</span><span lang="DE-AT">Wien</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">“</span><span lang="DE-AT"> die richtigere?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Der Abuse-C ist oft wertlos, da diesen kaum jemand wartet
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">–</span><span lang="DE-AT"> oft ist der auto-generiert.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Beim Admin-C und Tech-C muss man aufpassen, da hier alle m</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ö</span><span lang="DE-AT">glichen<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Ideen dahinterliegen k</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ö</span><span lang="DE-AT">nnen, wie es zu den Eintr</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">gen
gekommen ist </span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">–</span><span lang="DE-AT">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">das k</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ö</span><span lang="DE-AT">nnen Privatadressen von Personen sein, das k</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ö</span><span lang="DE-AT">nnen
oft auch<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Adressen von irgendwelchen Datacentern sein, manchmal fake Adressen, Adressen des LIR Halters<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">anstatt der wirklichen Kundenadressen (z.B. bei sponsoring LIR ASN), honeypot Eintr</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">ge etc..<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Teils kann das auch beim verzweifelten Versuch, die vielen falschen Geo-DNS Mappings irgendwie<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">so zu beeinflussen wie es der Halter haben wollte, sogar in ein anderes Land gesetzt worden sein...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Bei der ASN Liste f</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ü</span><span lang="DE-AT">r
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">Ö</span><span lang="DE-AT">sterreich musst aufpassen, dass es eine Liste mit allen ausgegeben<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">ASN gibt, bzw. gibt es Listen, die die technisch aktiven ASN zeigen
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">–</span><span lang="DE-AT"> also die toten ASN aussiebt ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Auch hier musst entscheiden, mit welcher Datenbasis Du arbeiten willst ... inaktive ASN gibt es so einige ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">(bgp.he.net zeigt in der AT Liste imho die technischen aktiven oder irgendwas in der N</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">he davon ...
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">–</span><span lang="DE-AT">
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Wenn die Anzahl mit dem Count in der Weltliste vergleichst, wirst merken, dass der Count viel h</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ö</span><span lang="DE-AT">her
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">ist als die List selber dann (aktive) Eintr</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">ge zeigt ...)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Zusammenfassend ist das schon etwas Komplex
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">–</span><span lang="DE-AT"> daher w</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-family:"Times New Roman",serif">ä</span><span lang="DE-AT">re wichtig, dass Du einfach entscheidest<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">nach welcher Reihenfolge die Daten zugeordnet sein sollen und Dich selber strickt dran haltest, sonst wirst bei<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">den vielen divergenten Szenarien noch total wirr ...<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">Hoffe das hilft ein wenig weiter?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT">lG Bernd<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:14.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#595959;mso-fareast-language:DE-AT">Bernd SPIESS</span></b><span style="font-size:12.0pt;color:#595959;mso-fareast-language:DE-AT"><br>
</span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#595959;mso-fareast-language:DE-AT">Mobile: +43 676 848267 401<br>
Email: </span><span lang="DE-AT" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:DE-AT"><a href="mailto:bernd.spiess@ip-it.com"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#595959">bernd.spiess@ip-it.com</span></a></span><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#595959;mso-fareast-language:DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#595959;mso-fareast-language:DE-AT">ip-it consult GmbH<br>
Am Birkengrund 10, A-9073 Klagenfurt<br>
FN: 411144z / LG Klagenfurt / ATU 68538567<br>
</span><span lang="DE-AT" style="color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:DE-AT"><a href="http://www.ip-it.com/"><span style="font-size:10.0pt;color:#595959">www.ip-it.com</span></a></span><span lang="DE-AT" style="font-size:9.0pt;color:#1F497D;mso-fareast-language:DE-AT"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="DE-AT"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style="border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span lang="DE">Von:</span></b><span lang="DE"> atnog-bounces@atnog.at <atnog-bounces@atnog.at>
<b>Im Auftrag von </b>Dominic Schallert<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Dienstag, 4. September 2018 00:15<br>
<b>An:</b> L. Aaron Kaplan <aaron@lo-res.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> atnog@atnog.at<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [atnog] Liste aller ASNs in Österreich per Bundesland<o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class="MsoNormal">...<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p>
</div>
</body>
</html>